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I cannot stress enough how important it is to understand that Apple, Google, or Amazon can simply _decide_ to remove access to anything you've "purchased", including many physical goods (if they are internet-connected and running proprietary software), and you have absolutely no recourse.

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The hope for a cetain (maybe utopian) future allows us to slip into deciding what is "worth it" when we talk about exploitation, extraction, and oppression. The more interesting starting point is - whats just not the fuck ok and what has got to go. the future will unveil itself from there

So i just don't see the point in any conversation about what the future **should** be. Its limiting - our imaginations are shaped by *this* reality. So why start there and work backwards?

@esvrld this one crazy trick will help you live forever

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Scene of keeling stone-work,
Spurs of knuckled, crumpled masonry
Wind-whipped; webbed with knotted root

#observance

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Sometimes when someone starts talking about something too far in the future I get freaked out because I realize that they havent come to terms with the coming collapse yet.

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@stomachxache its so hard to find out what gun shit you should get if you're an actual poor person who would like to be armed but cant shell out for like a whole AR kit.

I definitely dont rock with a lot of primitivism and havent ever thought of myself as an eco-anything or a hippie or whatever but it genuinely hurts my heart that one could be so alienated from the magic of nature and life on earth so as to want to live in space rather than be part of stewarding earth.

@thufie @anarchistbicycleclub I think the disagreement here is that having actual political stake in some commie space colonist fantasy thats not really grounded in reality doesnt make sense to me.

@thufie @anarchistbicycleclub I mean I dont really have anything against that and I also enjoy nice things. Im not attacking nice things. Im attacking the idea that there can be a world with endless extraction in the name of "luxury for everyone". The fact that the only thing you can imagine a bleak doomer dystopia when thinking of a world without fully automated luxury technology is emblematic of the problem. Humans have had vibrant culture full of art and nice things since practically the beginning of time. Hell if all industry stopped today you could STILL give your friends cool game consoles with tons of games on them.

Also how do you enforce multiple-planet wide extraction of resources without a state?

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@thufie @anarchistbicycleclub I just dont feel like coming at the current situation with that as the end goal is super reductive of what it would even mean to meet that goal. Like the fixation on "luxury" being the pinnacle of what humans can achieve is extremely indicative of the current culture to me. Thats the last thing on my mind when it comes to revolution.
I dont know if I believe you can have 'luxury' without exploitation.

@thufie @anarchistbicycleclub thats not the same thing as recognizing that planet-scale industry that would be needed for "Luxury Space Communism" would be incredibly exploitative on several levels.

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@joemama yea...

it reminds me of that twitter post, someone complaining about how many stars the sky has in nature....

what must die, what must be conquered, subjugated, burned down for the luxury? how is it not going to take us down?
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@eris it just feels like a symptom of the same alienation. Like people genuinely dont realize how much work and energy it takes to produce the shit they use and just wave it off as "we'll have the ROBOTS do all the stuff that nobody wants to do" without taking the next step of okay but who builds the robots? where does all these resources COME FROM? Who does the jobs that robots CANT do? What groups of people are going to be systematically taken advantage of in order to hold up the "luxury" part?
It just seems indicative of an unwillingness to question the power the comes with technology period.

@anarchistbicycleclub @thufie thats what Im saying is the fact that THAT is what shooting for the stars looks like. Not like, actual liberation.

@anarchistbicycleclub @thufie trust me if there is luxury space communism I will be blowing that shit up

@eris it just feels like a symptom of the same alienation. Like people genuinely dont realize how much work and energy it takes to produce the shit they use and just wave it off as "we'll have the ROBOTS do all the stuff that nobody wants to do" without taking the next step of okay but who builds the robots? where does all these resources COME FROM? Who does the jobs that robots CANT do? What groups of people are going to be systematically taken advantage of in order to hold up the "luxury" part?
It just seems indicative of an unwillingness to question the power the comes with technology period.

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